A Well-Deserved Shoe At The Israeli Representative
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Marco Villa , Connecticut:
Feb 6 2009
Made Popular Feb 7 2009
Sweden :
Israel’s Propaganda Representative [or “Ambassador] to Sweden was confronted with a token of goodwill from the Swedish people: a shoe.
As you know from reading Western news reports, throwing a shoe at someone is only offensive in Arab culture. So, therefore, the Swedes only meant love when they hurled them at the PR from Israel, Benny Dagan
Now, after watching the video the students sound pretty angry [Does anyone speak Swede? Please translate so we know if it was love or hate]. Maybe shoe throwing is also offensive in Sweden. I wonder what upsets them?

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I have no idea if the shoe-thrower was a Swedish citizen or not, and neither do you. What I do know, from other articles, is that the two shoe-throwers were members of the PSM.
It would be more relevant to ask them if they consider themselves Arabs first or Swedes (assuming that they ARE Swedish citizens).
Now if you’re a naturalized citizen of the US, did you know that the citizen’s oath you took when you received US citizenship is a ”loyalty oath” as well? What is your objection to a person taking an oath of loyalty to the country they live in, pay taxes in and benefit from the social welfare laws of that country? In addition, the Pledge of Allegiance recited in US schools is also a loyalty oath.
There are a multitude of ”extenuating circumstances” on both sides here in Israel that few people outside the country either know or understand, but space limitations here preclude a real discussion of them. Neither side is 100% ”clean” or ”dirty” in this matter.
It would be more relevant to ask them if they consider themselves Arabs first or Swedes (assuming that they ARE Swedish citizens).
Now if you’re a naturalized citizen of the US, did you know that the citizen’s oath you took when you received US citizenship is a ”loyalty oath” as well? What is your objection to a person taking an oath of loyalty to the country they live in, pay taxes in and benefit from the social welfare laws of that country? In addition, the Pledge of Allegiance recited in US schools is also a loyalty oath.
There are a multitude of ”extenuating circumstances” on both sides here in Israel that few people outside the country either know or understand, but space limitations here preclude a real discussion of them. Neither side is 100% ”clean” or ”dirty” in this matter.
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Just because they’re members of the PSM doesn’t mean they’re Arabs.
As for the oath, given the history of the conflict it is uncalled for
to ask the remaining Arabs in 1948 Palestine to sign an oath to
Zionism. Most Arabs in israel accept Jewish rule and Israeli law,
asking them to sign anything is such petty nationalism and is akin to
Nazis and their propaganda about how the Jews are a traitor class.
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First of all, any loyalty oath would have to be to the State of Israel and its laws, not to any ideology. All members of Knesset (including Arab ones) must take a similar oath at the first session of each new Knesset. It has nothing to do with ”Zionism”. Meir Kahana was not allowed to sit in the Knesset plemnum because he refused to take that oath (he was afraid of losing his US citizenship).
Given some of the incitment that has come out of mosques in Israel over the past year or two, including the false statements of ”Arabs being murdered by the Jews” in Akko on Yom Kippur, as well as the incitement of some of the settlers, perhaps a loyalty oath for ALL Israeli citizens, Muslim, Christian and Jewish, might not be a bad idea.
Given some of the incitment that has come out of mosques in Israel over the past year or two, including the false statements of ”Arabs being murdered by the Jews” in Akko on Yom Kippur, as well as the incitement of some of the settlers, perhaps a loyalty oath for ALL Israeli citizens, Muslim, Christian and Jewish, might not be a bad idea.
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And what if the native people refuse to swear an oath to Jewish
supremacy?
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UN Security council Resolution # ZZPP, Ban Shoes in all Islamic countries as they are the threat to the existence of Israel. Exception to slippers allowed as they dont cause too much harm.
Iran will be attacked asit possesses WMD Weapons of mass deception (shoes).
US senate bill already passed and Nike/addidas banned from exporting shoes to islamic rouge regimes. Sanctions imposed.
Iran will be attacked asit possesses WMD Weapons of mass deception (shoes).
US senate bill already passed and Nike/addidas banned from exporting shoes to islamic rouge regimes. Sanctions imposed.
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Very funny. I wouldn’t put it pass the US Congress to pass such
resolution
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Nice twist, but that’s not what any oath of loyalty would be about. As it is, there is a movement for Arab voters to boycott the upcoming elections here. How effective it will be remains to be seen, but I think it would be more effective to make a concentrated effort to get the Arab voters to the polls, not boycott them, if they want to make a statement.
As long as we’re talking about ”supremacy”, don’t the 5-times daily prayers of a Muslim re-affirm the supremacy of Islam over all else?
As long as we’re talking about ”supremacy”, don’t the 5-times daily prayers of a Muslim re-affirm the supremacy of Islam over all else?
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How does a personal prayer affirm supremacy in the general society;
assuming that is what you are saying?
And yes for a Muslim Islam is above any nationalism, but that doesn’t
mean Islam should be the national law.
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”yes for a Muslim Islam is above any nationalism, but that doesn’t mean Islam should be the national law”
But it is, in many of the self-declared Islamic countries.
If it were a personal prayer delivered by an individual, I would agree with you, but isn’t the wording of the prayer dictated in the Qur’an? Wouldn’t that mean that all those praying are affirming their loyalty to the principle of Islam’s superiority?
Remember, Islam is the only major religion where church and state are one and indivisible.
But it is, in many of the self-declared Islamic countries.
If it were a personal prayer delivered by an individual, I would agree with you, but isn’t the wording of the prayer dictated in the Qur’an? Wouldn’t that mean that all those praying are affirming their loyalty to the principle of Islam’s superiority?
Remember, Islam is the only major religion where church and state are one and indivisible.
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No it doesn’t, you have a stupid habit of dictating what this or that
means.
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Zionism is a facist ideology.
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”No it doesn’t, you have a stupid habit of dictating what this or that means.”
Then enlighten me, Marco. I’m on tenterhooks waiting to hear your spin on this...
”Zionism is a facist ideology.”
”Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.” (Merriam-Webster dictionary on-line.)
You really should take the trouble to know what a word means before you use it. I’m sorry, the definition sounds more like many of the Arab/Muslim governments around the world than the government of Israel. Think about it...
Then enlighten me, Marco. I’m on tenterhooks waiting to hear your spin on this...
”Zionism is a facist ideology.”
”Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.” (Merriam-Webster dictionary on-line.)
You really should take the trouble to know what a word means before you use it. I’m sorry, the definition sounds more like many of the Arab/Muslim governments around the world than the government of Israel. Think about it...
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First of all, Marco, ALL ambassadors, from ahy country are also ”PR” people for their country. Maybe the Swedes were annoyed because their opinions of Hamas as a ”benign liberation movement” were disabused by evidence to the contrary?
That’s often enough to get some PSM member to throw shoes at anyone talking about Palestinians. (Your article doesn’t mention that the throwers - both of them - were Arabs, not Swedes, and members of the Palestinian Solidarity Movement... an organization with proven ties to terror groups).
That’s often enough to get some PSM member to throw shoes at anyone talking about Palestinians. (Your article doesn’t mention that the throwers - both of them - were Arabs, not Swedes, and members of the Palestinian Solidarity Movement... an organization with proven ties to terror groups).
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So being a Swede of Arab heritage means that one isn’t a Swede after
all? Well, given how Arabs are treated in your country and how they’ll
soon be forced to sign ”loyalty” it is not a surprise you feel that why.
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I have no idea if the shoe-thrower was a Swedish citizen or not, and neither do you. What I do know, from other articles, is that the two shoe-throwers were members of the PSM.
It would be more relevant to ask them if they consider themselves Arabs first or Swedes (assuming that they ARE Swedish citizens).
Now if you’re a naturalized citizen of the US, did you know that the citizen’s oath you took when you received US citizenship is a ”loyalty oath” as well? What is your objection to a person taking an oath of loyalty to the country they live in, pay taxes in and benefit from the social welfare laws of that country? In addition, the Pledge of Allegiance recited in US schools is also a loyalty oath.
There are a multitude of ”extenuating circumstances” on both sides here in Israel that few people outside the country either know or understand, but space limitations here preclude a real discussion of them. Neither side is 100% ”clean” or ”dirty” in this matter.
It would be more relevant to ask them if they consider themselves Arabs first or Swedes (assuming that they ARE Swedish citizens).
Now if you’re a naturalized citizen of the US, did you know that the citizen’s oath you took when you received US citizenship is a ”loyalty oath” as well? What is your objection to a person taking an oath of loyalty to the country they live in, pay taxes in and benefit from the social welfare laws of that country? In addition, the Pledge of Allegiance recited in US schools is also a loyalty oath.
There are a multitude of ”extenuating circumstances” on both sides here in Israel that few people outside the country either know or understand, but space limitations here preclude a real discussion of them. Neither side is 100% ”clean” or ”dirty” in this matter.
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Just because they’re members of the PSM doesn’t mean they’re Arabs.
As for the oath, given the history of the conflict it is uncalled for
to ask the remaining Arabs in 1948 Palestine to sign an oath to
Zionism. Most Arabs in israel accept Jewish rule and Israeli law,
asking them to sign anything is such petty nationalism and is akin to
Nazis and their propaganda about how the Jews are a traitor class.
1 Stars
First of all, any loyalty oath would have to be to the State of Israel and its laws, not to any ideology. All members of Knesset (including Arab ones) must take a similar oath at the first session of each new Knesset. It has nothing to do with ”Zionism”. Meir Kahana was not allowed to sit in the Knesset plemnum because he refused to take that oath (he was afraid of losing his US citizenship).
Given some of the incitment that has come out of mosques in Israel over the past year or two, including the false statements of ”Arabs being murdered by the Jews” in Akko on Yom Kippur, as well as the incitement of some of the settlers, perhaps a loyalty oath for ALL Israeli citizens, Muslim, Christian and Jewish, might not be a bad idea.
Given some of the incitment that has come out of mosques in Israel over the past year or two, including the false statements of ”Arabs being murdered by the Jews” in Akko on Yom Kippur, as well as the incitement of some of the settlers, perhaps a loyalty oath for ALL Israeli citizens, Muslim, Christian and Jewish, might not be a bad idea.
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And what if the native people refuse to swear an oath to Jewish
supremacy?
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UN Security council Resolution # ZZPP, Ban Shoes in all Islamic countries as they are the threat to the existence of Israel. Exception to slippers allowed as they dont cause too much harm.
Iran will be attacked asit possesses WMD Weapons of mass deception (shoes).
US senate bill already passed and Nike/addidas banned from exporting shoes to islamic rouge regimes. Sanctions imposed.
Iran will be attacked asit possesses WMD Weapons of mass deception (shoes).
US senate bill already passed and Nike/addidas banned from exporting shoes to islamic rouge regimes. Sanctions imposed.
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Very funny. I wouldn’t put it pass the US Congress to pass such
resolution
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Nice twist, but that’s not what any oath of loyalty would be about. As it is, there is a movement for Arab voters to boycott the upcoming elections here. How effective it will be remains to be seen, but I think it would be more effective to make a concentrated effort to get the Arab voters to the polls, not boycott them, if they want to make a statement.
As long as we’re talking about ”supremacy”, don’t the 5-times daily prayers of a Muslim re-affirm the supremacy of Islam over all else?
As long as we’re talking about ”supremacy”, don’t the 5-times daily prayers of a Muslim re-affirm the supremacy of Islam over all else?
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How does a personal prayer affirm supremacy in the general society;
assuming that is what you are saying?
And yes for a Muslim Islam is above any nationalism, but that doesn’t
mean Islam should be the national law.
1 Stars
”yes for a Muslim Islam is above any nationalism, but that doesn’t mean Islam should be the national law”
But it is, in many of the self-declared Islamic countries.
If it were a personal prayer delivered by an individual, I would agree with you, but isn’t the wording of the prayer dictated in the Qur’an? Wouldn’t that mean that all those praying are affirming their loyalty to the principle of Islam’s superiority?
Remember, Islam is the only major religion where church and state are one and indivisible.
But it is, in many of the self-declared Islamic countries.
If it were a personal prayer delivered by an individual, I would agree with you, but isn’t the wording of the prayer dictated in the Qur’an? Wouldn’t that mean that all those praying are affirming their loyalty to the principle of Islam’s superiority?
Remember, Islam is the only major religion where church and state are one and indivisible.
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No it doesn’t, you have a stupid habit of dictating what this or that
means.
1 Stars
”No it doesn’t, you have a stupid habit of dictating what this or that means.”
Then enlighten me, Marco. I’m on tenterhooks waiting to hear your spin on this...
”Zionism is a facist ideology.”
”Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.” (Merriam-Webster dictionary on-line.)
You really should take the trouble to know what a word means before you use it. I’m sorry, the definition sounds more like many of the Arab/Muslim governments around the world than the government of Israel. Think about it...
Then enlighten me, Marco. I’m on tenterhooks waiting to hear your spin on this...
”Zionism is a facist ideology.”
”Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.” (Merriam-Webster dictionary on-line.)
You really should take the trouble to know what a word means before you use it. I’m sorry, the definition sounds more like many of the Arab/Muslim governments around the world than the government of Israel. Think about it...
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That’s often enough to get some PSM member to throw shoes at anyone talking about Palestinians. (Your article doesn’t mention that the throwers - both of them - were Arabs, not Swedes, and members of the Palestinian Solidarity Movement... an organization with proven ties to terror groups).